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Posted by on 2004-10-13 17:46:25 +0000

I just called careerbuilder.com, and they were very cordial and very concerned. I gave them the url of the KLAS_TV story, and they may pull the listing. YEAH!

Posted by on 2004-10-13 18:27:13 +0000

McCain?

Posted by on 2004-10-14 21:29:45 +0000

Act for Change is also sponsoring a Call to Action: http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=17865 I doubt Bush will do anything, as his morals and trust in democracy are proven to be essentially nonexistent. But hey, at least we're trying....

Posted by on 2004-10-15 01:02:58 +0000

hmmm so canvassers in Missouri are going to throw people's votes out in Nevada. I liked the documents that proved these two circumstantial events were tied together. I remembered reading this article a while ago, and while I know I'll be adding gasoline to the fire, I really can't help myself... I hope we can still be friends after you read this (I can hear cries of Willie Horton - and Im not sure whether I agree with the slant in this article - my key point is that there are 2 sides to the story and Dems are far from saints themselves and should be careful living in their glass houses: Felons Paid in Voter Registration Drive AP ^ | 6/23/04 Posted on 06/23/2004 2:00:02 PM PDT by Marcus Alonzo Hanna Felons Paid in Voter Registration Drive Political Group Paid Felons to Conduct Door-To-Door Voter Registration Drives in Least 3 States The Associated Press JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. June 23, 2004 — A Democratic group crucial to John Kerry's presidential campaign has paid felons some convicted of sex offenses, assault and burglary to conduct door-to-door voter registration drives in at least three election swing states. America Coming Together, contending that convicted criminals deserve a second chance in society, employs felons as voter canvassers in major metropolitan areas in Missouri, Florida, Ohio and perhaps in other states among the 17 it is targeting in its drive. Some of the felons lived in halfway houses, and at least four returned to prison. ACT canvassers ask residents which issues are important to them and, if they are not registered, sign them up as voters. They gather telephone numbers and other personal information, such as driver's license numbers or partial Social Security numbers, depending on what a state requires for voter registration. Felons on probation or parole are ineligible to vote in many states. Doug Lewis, executive director of the Election Center, which represents election officials, said he is unaware of any laws against felons registering other people to vote. A review of federal campaign finance and state criminal records by The Associated Press revealed that the names and hometowns of dozens of ACT employees in Missouri, Florida and Ohio matched those of people convicted of crimes such as burglary, forgery, drug dealing, assault and sex offenses. Although it works against the re-election of President Bush, ACT is an independent group not affiliated with the Kerry campaign federal law forbids such coordination. Yet ACT is stocked with veteran Democratic political operatives, many with past ties to Kerry and his advisers. ACT plans to spend about $100 million on initiatives to get out the vote for the presidential election, which likely will turn on how well Kerry and Bush can get their supporters to the polls. ACT does not believe the felons it sends door to door pose a threat to the public, said Mo Elleithee, a Washington-based spokesman for the group. "We believe it's important to give people a second chance," Elleithee said. "The fact that they are willing to do this work is a fairly serious indication that they want to become productive members of society." Although ACT asks job applicants to cite their criminal history and hires some felons and not others, Elleithee would not reveal how many felons ACT has hired to canvass neighborhoods and register voters. They earn $8 to $12 per hour. Elleithee confirmed that felons have been hired in Missouri, Florida and Ohio and said it is possible that felons have been hired in the other 14 states in which it's conducting its drive: Arizona, Arkansas, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. Citing security concerns for the public and for the felons, the Missouri Department of Corrections in April banished ACT from its pool of potential employers for parolees in its halfway houses in Kansas City and St. Louis, department spokesman John Fougere said. Five ACT employees lived at the Kansas City Community Release Center and two others at the St. Louis Community Release Center earlier this year. "From a public safety standpoint, we didn't want offenders to be in a situation where they would be handling that information," Fougere said. Officials also were concerned the door-to-door campaign would put felons at greater risk of false accusations, he said. Among the ACT employees in Ohio was a woman convicted of sexual contact with a minor. She completed her parole 12 years ago. "If she was still on parole that job wouldn't have been approved," said Andrea Dean, spokeswoman for the Ohio Department of Correction. "People who have been out of prison and haven't had any other problems with law enforcement, they should be given that second chance to be viable citizens." In Florida, most felons released from prison are not on parole or probation. "If they're released from our custody and there is no other supervision ... we can't prohibit them from taking a job like this," said Sterling Ivey, a spokesman for the Florida Department of Corrections. ACT adopted a policy against employing violent felons this spring, Elleithee said, but he declined to release the policy or to describe what the group considered violent. "We're constantly looking internally to better our hiring practices," he said. "But the bottom line is we would never hire anyone who we felt was a threat to anyone else." At least two felons who were stationed at a Missouri halfway house have since moved into the community and are again employed by ACT "and are a tremendous part of our team," Elleithee said. Four of ACT's former employees living at a Missouri halfway house have since been returned to prison two for drug violations, one for endangering the welfare of a child and another for walking away from the facility. None of the incidents was related to their work for ACT, Fougere said. Associated Press Writers John McCarthy in Columbus, Ohio, and Mike Schneider in Orlando, Fla., contributed to this report.

Posted by on 2004-10-15 03:59:11 +0000

What's the outrage? Felons door-to-door? Someone point me in the direction of the scandal. If I get registered by a felon, I can still vote, right?

Posted by on 2004-10-15 04:20:08 +0000

That whole thing about forgiveness of sins is more Christian bunk. Once a sinner, always a felon.

Posted by on 2004-10-15 22:26:00 +0000

First I was going to ignore, rladew's post as it is so off topic. But now I'm curious, what made you post it? And do you think that someone whose a convicted felon should not be a part of society?

Posted by on 2004-10-16 11:29:09 +0000

simple reason of the post was that dawn appeared (from this readers impression at least) outraged that a job website would have the AUDACITY to advertise a canvassing job for the GOP (which had no tangible relationship to the news story you posted) both were in seperate states.... Playing Devil's advocate I remembered the story of Dems paying convicted felons. I personally dont have a problem with that. Hell, the felons were probably more in danger of the polarized voting public than vice versa. But unless you guys have some incredible access to insight and rightousness that I am most obviously lacking, it seems to me both sides are drumming up as much help as possible. Where is either side @ fault here? Do you guys read the posts I put in? It seems like you read some of it, but what about my words in the beginning? I did put in something to the extent of "I cant believe the AP would print this slanted of an article" and 'this doesn't necessarily reflect my viewpoint'....

Posted by on 2004-10-16 19:14:03 +0000

"simple reason of the post was that dawn appeared (from this readers impression at least) outraged that a job website would have the AUDACITY to advertise a canvassing job for the GOP (which had no tangible relationship to the news story you posted) both were in seperate states...." Rladew this is false! It was Voter Outreach for America which threw out votes in Nevada and was posting jobs in Nevada and elsewhere. "No tangible relationship?" It's the same damn organization, Voter Outreach for America, "paid for by the GOP"! Careerbuilder.com pulled the freakin' post! I have no problems with any organization or even convicted felons signing people up to vote, but let's get our facts straight. Second, as someone who has worked with convicted felons (most were juveniles, but not all) I find your post particularly troubling. Here is a group giving convicts jobs helping their communities get out the vote, which seems fairly saintly to me, and you say that Dems aren't saints for doing such. Unless you were kidding (which I don't think you were) you were equating throwing out registrations with your AP story of convicts helping people vote. You really have to explain this line of thinking, rladew.

Posted by on 2004-10-17 03:34:03 +0000

With all due respect Dawn, I NEVER have to re-justify or explain my feelings just because you have a different sentiment than I do. If I don't agree with you on something, I can respect that we feel differently, but in this particular case when I came up with something you didnt like and we had divergent opinions you ask me to re-explain my intentions. No thanks. I already did. Dont have to again. My posting of this article had NOTHING to do with my feelings of felons being reintegrated into society. Both DEMS and REP. hire people to canvass. Ive read yr link to the job posting site as well asyr link to the alleged Nevada election tomfoolery. As far as I see, there is about as much connection to these two as Al Qaeda being linked to Iraq. Did you guys know that the DNC is ALLEGEDLY instructing their party members to "shoot first and ask questions later" in the matter of civil rights and election fraud for the election? Yep. It seems like if this is true, you dont have to have facts or evidence. you just have to feel disenfranchised and call up some lawyers..... [url]http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election/article/0,1299,DRMN_36_3256347,00.html[/url] there's this, the repeated cheap shot's @ Dick Cheney's daughters and these are just the two NEW disenheartining things Ive found out about the Democratic party this week.... I dont know how much more of this stuff I can take...

Posted by on 2004-10-17 03:53:01 +0000

Why would any American voter leave something as important as one's right to vote up to some faceless group of volunteers? Why would anyone sinister enough to disregard votes be dumb enough to #1) Not Shred the documents to not leave the evidence and #2) Leave the evidence in such a way where Democrat is crossed out and Republican is checked? It was so easy to obtain the CLEAR laws for voter registration right off the net. In fact, I first found it at Michael Moore's website, which gives you links to all 50 state's policies... If you as an American dont take responsibility for your vote who will? Are these people that feel they have been duped just deciding that Lawyers, instead of themselves, should do these people's due dilligence? What about spoilage in Florida 4 years ago? If you go to a bank and fill out an application and you forget to sign it, or don't put down yr ssn or addr of record or whatever, do you think the bank will be nice enough to guess what you meant or set up an account for you based on yr good looks? People need to start educating themselves and taking responsibility for their own actions.... Dont start the no access to computer argument either... what about public libraries or area phone books that list town officials? Public information, all of it.

Posted by on 2004-10-17 06:15:00 +0000

Are you saying that Voter Outreach of America has no affiliation with Voter Outreach of America? You can have your own opinions. You can not have your own facts. Cheap shots at Cheney's daughter's? Give me a quote that amounts to a cheap shot. I have not heard any. Finally, no, you never "have to" explain your sentiment, but I think you would want to. First because you never did; you simply threw it out there. And second, as it stands now, you equated registration destruction that the GOP is doing with registration help the Dems are doing, and this frightened a lot of people.

Posted by on 2004-10-17 13:18:47 +0000

Allegedly the GOP is doing Dawn... some pimply faced kid whines to a local affiliate and that word is bond? The cheap shot @ Lynn Cheney was the "We're all god's children segment of the debate. Edwards did it too during the VP debate. Don't think for a second that the Dems are going to help gays / lesbians with more rights after all these campaign hints or empty promises. Kerry is just as against gay marriage as Bush is. I dont care if the Dems try to push some type of other 'civil rights initiative', regardless if you think a marriage is between a woman and a man (for the record I do not: anyone who pays taxes and is a positive contributing member to society should have the same rights blue black green yellow gay straight bi asexual whatever), until it is designated as 'marriage' as all marriage regardless, there will be a stigma - remember seperate but equal? Same thing. Kerry will court the gay voters, but he's not gonna do them any favors. If yr voting based on gay rights in this election IMHO yr best bet would to try to stay as close to a states rights position as possible and hope for a better candidate in 2008. And Dawn, yr not answering the direct point of my Argument? Why are all these people absolved of their personal responsibilites? Why is the blame always on some sinister corrupt organization?

Posted by on 2004-10-17 13:40:15 +0000

cheap shot More backup on others who feel this way: [url]http://thoughtsonline.blogspot.com/2004/10/james-taranto-and-others-may-be-right.html[/url]

Posted by on 2004-10-17 13:43:31 +0000

btw: when I was succesfully able to see yr Careebuilderlink, I saw no mention of the voter outreach org that youre talking about. I saw only paid for by GOP.

Posted by on 2004-10-17 17:38:28 +0000

"some pimply faced kid whines to a local affiliate and that word is bond?" What are you talking about here? Whose the pimply faced kid? The careerbuilder.com post was headed "Company Name: Voters Outreach of America."

Posted by on 2004-10-17 20:07:45 +0000

My apologies: I didn't see the name of the group in the link. The youngster I was refering to was a part of the link you had posted regarding voter registration tampering. If you watch the video feed, he appears to be the only source of the story unless I missed something. So what about people taking responsibility for themselves on learning what is required in their area to vote? I'm interested to see if you have an opinion on this....

Posted by on 2004-10-17 20:13:53 +0000

I think you are entirely right. Depending on how sacred you hold your vote and right to vote, you should plan accordingly. These people that supposedly got duped by Voters Outreach have mostly themselves to blame. When I registered to vote, I went to City Hall. And just about everyone can get to a library or government building at some point during the year and register at an unquestionable locale. I have not watched the video feed with the pimply faced kid. Yet...

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-09-26 08:23:44 +0000

More Republican led voter suppression.